Truthmusik
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Post by Truthmusik on Jun 22, 2007 23:51:00 GMT -5
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Post by rhomboid on Jun 25, 2007 9:33:40 GMT -5
ha ha
he's totally out of his element with real musicians, producers and engineers.
Someone else writes and arranges the parts. Someone else tracks the musicians. JB stabs at an mpc for 8 bars. Someone else mixes the tracks and then someone else masters it.
The new track form Jus Blaze. lol
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Post by Truthmusik on Jun 25, 2007 10:21:18 GMT -5
ha ha he's totally out of his element with real musicians, producers and engineers. Someone else writes and arranges the parts. Someone else tracks the musicians. JB stabs at an mpc for 8 bars. Someone else mixes the tracks and then someone else masters it. The new track form Jus Blaze. lol It's more than that, haha...You cant discredit him just because he has the means to work with those people. He coughs up dough for the composer and all of those musicians. I only wish I had the money for that. |
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Post by rhomboid on Jun 25, 2007 15:21:21 GMT -5
His label is probably paying for it. Besides, is money all it takes to make popular music?
All I'm saying is that I think it sucks that he's held in such high regard when he does 10% of the work on one of his tracks (in some cases).
I read an interview with him about his studio where he admitted that he didn't know shit about the SSL desk he's got in his studio but that "clients expect it" even if they are only using the stereo buss to monitor the Pro Tools session.
That is, in my opinion, f*cking ridiculous and a sad reflection of the state of hip-hop
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Post by Truthmusik on Jun 26, 2007 15:07:39 GMT -5
Well...Yeah, money is all it takes to make popular music, haha. But thats not what I was saying. A lot of producers use musicians for a number of reasons...more control, overall sound quality, sample issues, etc. It's a lot cheaper (in some cases) to have musicians play something you found on a record, rather than using the actual recording, for copyright purposes & things of that nature. He's still a digger, and he still has a vision of what he want when working with musicians. I'd give him a little more credit than "10% of the work".
And about him not knowing how to use some equipment...so what...thats why major producers hire engineers.
"A sad reflection of the state of hip hop" is a bold statement, considering Just Blaze is a dope producer with multiple hits all over the place. And he's not making crunk music. It seems to me like your just a hater...please dont take that to heart, but come on...How can you hate on Just Blaze?
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Post by rhomboid on Jun 27, 2007 5:11:06 GMT -5
ok, ok, ok Firstly, I'm not a "hater" although I think that's a term that's been invented to put down people who have different taste than yourself. like "backpacker"- someone who has taste beyond hip-pop. . .?) One of the many things i dislike about modern hip-hop is that the sense of experimentalism and expression has been replaced by (over- ) ambition (which is not nessesarily bad in some cases) and conformity. Now we see a lot of people with very little talent succeeding because they are ambitious can fit into current music fashion, have good "tv-personalities", and can talk sh*t. i.e. Kanye West, MIMS, Chamilliionaire, BEP, Gunit, Game etc. Also it's important to note that they are very slickly marketed by white men in suits (to white kids in tracksuits). Of course a lot of them had an "underground buzz" first but that is usually part of the hype. For example everyone was bugging off of 50's thug background without even having heard his music. Do you think anyone will revere JB and 50 Cent in 20 years in the same way as they revere Public Enemy, De La Soul, Wu Tang and BDP (if we can forget some of KRS lame solo shit) now? No way, because most hip-hop "producers" nowadays make music to make money and by that definaition it MUST be artisticly comprimised. I dont hate JB, I just think his music is uninspiring, dull and that he's something of a "one trick pony". I like music to capture my imagination and maybe even challenge me. JB does nothing that Primo and Pete Rock didn't do 10x better 15 years ago. So I find it boring to listen to most chart-hip-hop, before we even begin to discuss the fact that it is mastered so hot that it's tiring on the ears and brain to hear. The amount of hits someone has is NO indication of how good they are, so that point is invalid. I mean, will.i.am has "multiple hits all over the place." and I'm sure we can both agree that he is bulls*it, right?  Also look at soundclick for a more microcosmic example of this, you need to get at below 50 on the chart before anything interesting comes up. The acts with the most hits are invariably wack, just kids with plenty of time to promote thier stuff on the net. JB also made beats for "The White Rapper Show" which was a complete joke, end of story. I ain't hating on you ar JB or anyone, just trying to explain why I think that this stuff is bulls*it and that there is nothing to aspire to. On a technical level, it looked like those string players were for the most part playing staccatto chords and a few runs. This can very easily and very convincingly be recreated with a good orchestra library like VSL or Gigastudio, so I think that the point about the convienience of the live orchestra is moot. Also most "classical" classical music is now public domain so copyright laws only apply is some cases. I think he used a live orchestra becuase of the prestige it allows and because he can't play keyboard because sound quality is NOT an issue. B |
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Post by Truthmusik on Jun 27, 2007 9:24:44 GMT -5
I was talking about using musicians to replay samples from old jazz/soul/funk music, not classical. Everybody knows classical music is sample clearance-free. Which is why I mentioned sound quality. And if you think using a sample library from a program/keyboard is the same as a live string section your crazy, sure you can do a lot...But it's like anything else...nothing can replicate the feel of the real thing. (even though quality sound library have great samples from every instrument, I don't deny that)
I don't know what type of impression you got from me, but I'm not a fan of "hip-pop" either. But a lot of people take that route and label anything on TV as 'wack mainstream shit'...I posted this video, not because I'm Just Blaze's biggest fan, but because I thought it was interesting footage of a 'hip hop' producer working with professional musicians, thats all. I respect your opinions 100%. Peace, bro.
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Post by Truthmusik on Jun 27, 2007 9:26:29 GMT -5
Oh and yes, Will.I.Am is garbage...I don't even know why you threw his name in there...Look at his 'hits' and JB's 'hits' and you'll see most of Will's sale & success came from teenage girls.
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Also look at soundclick for a more microcosmic example of this, you need to get at below 50 on the chart before anything interesting comes up. The acts with the most hits are invariably wack, just kids with plenty of time to promote thier stuff on the net.