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Post by SoundsForSamplers™ on Sept 8, 2006 15:03:40 GMT -5
I'm going to try something different for the next battle.
Seems we get a much better turnout where the prizes are big,so I though of a way the battle can be for cold had ca$h!!
The next battle will have a $5 enter fee.
There will be a paypal buy now button in the official thread,and most of that $5 (minis the paypal processing and a little tip for for me) will go to the master money pot the winner gets.
Many people have expressed interest in me doing this,so lets make it happen.
Battling for money,what can be better:)
BTW.. I think its a little f**ked up that most people only come here to download the samples.
The least everyone can do here is get like 40 quality posts to keep that place moving..
I bust my ass each month coming up with the samples for the battles,and truthfully it is not worth it for me if people don't start posting.
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Post by Desertease on Sept 8, 2006 15:12:48 GMT -5
I feel you on that right there fam. you gotta make a lil cash for your efforts...In my opinion i think you should make it a pay battle everytime and then with the cash you should cop an item and say this is what you can win or somethin like that you know? but i'm down for the battle
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Post by substratumsounds on Sept 8, 2006 15:38:34 GMT -5
I'm diggin that idea! You should also limit the amount of entrys you get for your $5, so that we have to choose our best beat/s.
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Post by Siver on Sept 8, 2006 16:02:42 GMT -5
You could make it $5 every entry. That way if you download the kit and can't make anything worth posting, there would be less shitty beats because no one will want to pay five bucks if they know they are not going to win. If it's $5 to download the kit, people will post even if they can't come up with anything decent so that they don't feel like they just blew five bucks. If it was $5 to post your entry, people woul only post if they really felt that they had a chance. The down side to it tho is that less people may pay to enter making the pot smaller. But at the same time, all of the entries would be really good.
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Post by fraggle on Sept 8, 2006 18:48:54 GMT -5
Hmmmm.....
Really not sure about this move. I enter these sorta contests more for the fun and to get some constructive feedback/guidance so credible "critiques" would have to be guaranteed exchange for the entry fee.
Also, if you are going to start charging people to enter, can you now please start disclosing the identity of the songs from which you get the contest kit's samples?
That's^ just my two cents.
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Post by bigvernthearkitekt on Sept 8, 2006 20:13:29 GMT -5
I'm in on that. I say $5 lets you download the kit and post one beat. If you want to post another beat, pay another $5.
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Post by soze on Sept 9, 2006 0:30:36 GMT -5
im against the $5 to dl the kit cuz i prolly wouldnt pay $5 without hearin the kit first, maybe the samples could be posted on soundclick or somethin so people can hear what they gon pay for first to see if there are samples they feel they could work with
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Post by paulwho on Sept 9, 2006 17:55:25 GMT -5
i like these beat battles and i would post more in other areas but most of it is mpc talk and i dont use a mpc but its your spot do what you think will make it better i will give up five bucks.....
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Post by j1 on Sept 9, 2006 21:41:13 GMT -5
there's one thing i think should be improved if you're going to start charging for entry.
the judges should have a set scoring system that they follow.
each element of the song (originality, sample use, song structure, and whatever else) gets a score and the scores are averaged or totaled or whatever
this would serve two purposes:
1. this would keep the judging as objective as it can be and force the judges to think more about their choices rather than just picking 2 songs they like best
2. this would provide feedback for everyone who enters, so even if you don't win you might feel like you've gained something
not that the judging has been bad, but i think it would help alot if everyone could see the reasons behind the choices.
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Post by pezza on Sept 9, 2006 23:01:36 GMT -5
I'm going to try something different for the next battle. Seems we get a much better turnout where the prizes are big,so I though of a way the battle can be for cold had ca$h!! The next battle will have a $5 enter fee. There will be a paypal buy now button in the official thread,and most of that $5 (minis the paypal processing and a little tip for for me) will go to the master money pot the winner gets. Many people have expressed interest in me doing this,so lets make it happen. Battling for money,what can be better:) BTW.. I think its a little f**ked up that most people only come here to download the samples. The least everyone can do here is get like 40 quality posts to keep that place moving.. I bust my ass each month coming up with the samples for the battles,and truthfully it is not worth it for me if people don't start posting. I would be happy to pay $5 but at this point I'm not sure what is going on? August was my first beat battle but it's nearly half way through september and I don't know who won, or what's happening? I think the standard of beats on this forum is really high and I would post more if I didn't find myself getting a bit lost. The way the forum is set up with sub forums I find a little confusing to navigate and it has the feeling that each forum is disconnected from the others so there is not a feeling of continuity throughout the site. IMO it needs to be a bit simpler to convince more people to get involved. I can appreciate the work that goes into sourcing and recording the samples and recognize the quality so if the issues above were addressed I would be happy to contribute a few bucks if it was going toward an overall winner and SFS for the crate digging. |
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Post by keldon on Sept 10, 2006 9:45:30 GMT -5
I think it's about time you started charging for them. Although $5 works out to being about $100 to fill a CD. But they do have the added bonus of being in the competition.
If anything there should be more runners up prizes (or letting several runners up compete in the next for free for their good performance), and a more robust judging procedure where there are mentions of notable beats. And yes, a limit would be good too.
Having said that, what are the number of entrants?
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Post by tetsoul on Sept 10, 2006 10:08:36 GMT -5
SFS I dont mind the idea of the $5 entry fee but I'm in australia and wont be getting a credit card anytime soon..
so how would I pay?
I would still enter these battles if there was no prize but whatever.
Test it out and see what happens ay.
TetSoul
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Post by SoundsForSamplers™ on Sept 10, 2006 15:50:54 GMT -5
Pezza ( and everyone else) my apology's about taking so long to announce the winner of the Aug duel of the beats.
I have been occupied with family issues and work,my apology's.
It usually takes less then a week to declare the winner.
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Post by bigvernthearkitekt on Sept 11, 2006 18:31:35 GMT -5
there's one thing i think should be improved if you're going to start charging for entry. the judges should have a set scoring system that they follow. each element of the song (originality, sample use, song structure, and whatever else) gets a score and the scores are averaged or totaled or whatever good idea |
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Post by SoundsForSamplers™ on Sept 12, 2006 0:26:24 GMT -5
Ok here is the update.
The winner of the August Duel of the beats have been announced,congrats to TSharp.
We WILL have the pay to enter battle,the response of this and other forums has been good.
I'm sure the pot will be a nice prize for the winner.
But before the battle begins I must select the judges.
So I'm going to shoot for Sep 25th or so.
The samples will still be free for EVERYONE to download.
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Post by keldon on Sept 13, 2006 9:36:23 GMT -5
I think that the fee might disencourage newcomers to sampling. My first sampling effort was in this competition. If it had a $5 entry fee, I'd never have started sampling.
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Post by great1 on Sept 14, 2006 12:30:18 GMT -5
Seems like mostly everyone is cool with the $5. But for those who are not, why don't you just charge $5 for the CD of Sounds each month. If someone wants to enter the Beat Battle they can do so once they get the sounds and win more prizes.
This way at lease you know you have something in the form of Money$$$ that can go towards your time for diggin.
I don't have a lot of time like i use to now that i have a family and a full-time job. After all the things are done around the house 9 out of 10 time I've missed the deadline for the Beat Battle Contest.
So I don't mind paying for a CD with the sounds.
Great1
Mo City, Texas
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Post by keldon on Sept 14, 2006 15:09:40 GMT -5
Maybe after the battles you can do paid downloads at a slightly reduced price (since there is no prospect of the prize).
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Post by j1 on Sept 14, 2006 18:52:29 GMT -5
i might be misunderstanding what your saying, but i believe the sounds used in the contests mostly come from copyrighted material, so i dont think you can legally charge for the samples
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Post by great1 on Sept 17, 2006 10:51:15 GMT -5
i might be misunderstanding what your saying, but i believe the sounds used in the contests mostly come from copyrighted material, so i dont think you can legally charge for the samples It is copyrighted material but he is charging a Fee only for the TIME that he's spent Diggin for the Sounds/Records. Any Producer that uses samples to make a beat knows the time that goes into Diggin. Then you have to Chop/Program/Arrange/ and Mix the Beat. All of this takes time and after all that work you mean to tell me you don't want to make any Money. Just about all the songs on Mixed Tapes are Copyrighted Material but it takes time for someone to: Pick which songs will go on the tape/blend it/ scratch/ add drops/ burn the CD's/..... this takes up time and Time=Money. The Music is for Promotional Use Only (because it is Copyrighted Material) but the CD DISC and the Case/Artwork /The time it took to put all of it together. Thats what your paying the fee for.Peace Great1 Mo City, Texas |
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Post by j1 on Sept 17, 2006 16:50:03 GMT -5
yes, i understand that the fee is for entry into the contest, not the samples. my reply was only in response to the post i quoted, which says something about charging for a cd of the samples
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Post by kdubbs on Sept 18, 2006 16:14:07 GMT -5
No disrespect to anyone, but the Main reason I download the samples is I don't know whether I'm going to enter a beat battle until AFTER I listen to the samples.. Sure I have only entered 1 beat battle (June) and didn't win the $100 prize. But My time is valuable, so I need more 'inspiration' to shoot for a deadline or what have you. Whether it's $$ or software or whatever, it's gotta be worth my time..... so yeah, the LARGER the prize, the more competition there is gonna be (aka the more people will post)... But that's just my opinion... GOD Bless, Keith 'KDubbs' Williams Bassist/Producer Urban Underground® tha " Apocalypse" iz almost upon us. Release date 10/24/06 Urban Underground® iz in da buildin ... 1Battling for money,what can be better:) BTW.. I think its a little f**ked up that most people only come here to download the samples. The least everyone can do here is get like 40 quality posts to keep that place moving.. I bust my ass each month coming up with the samples for the battles,and truthfully it is not worth it for me if people don't start posting.
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Post by 50dollarbeats on Sept 22, 2006 11:52:52 GMT -5
I been busy and couldn't make time to drop on the forum but now I should be good......got a couple of things I would like see go on........
1. Free sound download (SFS gets a slice off of the top cheese ppl pay for there entry.)
2. 5$ entry fee (each beat should equal 1 entry so $5 will get u 1 beat into the competition if you want 4 beats in the battle that should be $20)
3. I think the judging should be as someone mentioned similar to a scorecard EACH judge should go according to and also show to the public EACH and EVERY individual entry so if i pay 20 for 4 entrys I would like to see 4 scorecards u know.)
4. Payment for those w/out paypal or any other internet payment method? I mean i wont mind mailing the the dough. holla back!
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Post by substratumsounds on Sept 22, 2006 17:39:25 GMT -5
I like the scorecard idea!
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Post by SoundsForSamplers™ on Sept 22, 2006 19:34:03 GMT -5
Some real good ideas.
Well its the 22nd and I am slowly compiling the samples,but i still have MUCH more to do.
I got my friend Kit a live bass player is going to lace us all up with bass loops.
I apologize for taking all of September to get the next battle going.
I am still in the research phase of how to except the $5 entry fees.
I think its ok to use paypal,but I have t make sure.
I also need Judges,so please if you don`t plan to enter please PM me about being a Judge.
I am also taking sample contributions for this battle.
Pm all mega upload links to me..
I was thinking though,i might make a post limit on the battles.
Something like you need 30 posts or something to access the sounds download thread,to encourage more dam posting...
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